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Robdalajara · Harder than Hardcore Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 65

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Lumberjack Supervisor just hit me. 60 moxie, MCD 11

Kittiwake · Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:59 pm Post subject:

Grey Eminence · Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:50 am Post subject:

Just got hit by a Knob Goblin Very Mad Scientist with Moxie 65 and MCD at 11.

So i guess his evade is higher than 54.

discotheif · Firm Like a Handshake Joined: 03 Aug 2005 Posts: 7

I was hit by a Dyspepsi General at 38 moxie. Missed the screenshot, will try to find and post it if possible.

Edit: Have no MCD (muscle sign) nor angry pitchfork.
Was also hit by a Dyspepsi Soldier at 38 moxie. Proof provided at

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/chw6/dyspesi-soldier-38.png
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Cisco · Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:46 am Post subject:

...grumbles at Kittiwake for changing the format Evil or Very Mad

won't be too hard to re-parse for the lookup tool, but I'm short on free time. I'll do it soon. Soon as in a Jick kind of soon, pre-Xenophobe. Razz

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Kittiwake · Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:48 am Post subject:

Heh, good. I was beginning to get worried there =p

That, and i kept getting false reports from outdate info, but i don't care.

I swear this is the last change. If it isn't.... i'll buy you 1,000 Eyes. Deal? >.>
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Argwarg · HCO Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 90

Q: Why is the goblin king hitting me at 66 Mox?

A: Because you forgot to shut off the MCD, idiot.

Matt_Hatter83 · Hard to the Core Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 36

Gnollish Piebaker hit at 22 moxie with MCD set to 10.

N3RD · HCO Joined: 06 Nov 2005 Posts: 904

Hit by a crusty hippy jewelry maker with moxie of 60 and MCD at 11.

Kittiwake · Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:25 am Post subject:

Just want to say two things...

One, you can stop giving me updates when you're being hit now. Since i have nearly all the monster stats, player reports are mostly irrelevant. However, there is still the chance that you may get hit, even when you're 9 above the monsters attack. This occurs far too infrequently to warrant chaning all evade rates to +10, so you don't have to report anymore, and just be aware that even at the ones listed here... there may be a miniscule chance you can get hit. Very, very small.

Second, the guide is nearly done! I've got about 8 more areas to finish, then the Moxie and Muscle areas to do, and the whole thing shall be done, with a few exceptions.
The Daily Dungeon is too much of a pain to do properly, and the Nemesis' are too problematic and time-consuming to confirm (i'm NOT ascending 6 times on the Test multi...), and its nearly impossible to find Attack values for monsters with less than 5 Monster Level... so they shall just be assumed, but soon, this shall be a complete listing of all the monsters stats. It'll be more than the Moxie list, it'll be a complete Bestiary and Combat Guide. Whoo-hoo for improvements! =p

Once that is all done, i'll update the front block of text for the final time, re-add an Intro, add a new Battle Mechanics section to the bottom, maybe add the Dire Warrens even though there is no point... and all those on the list at the bottom may just receive something nice for their efforts as well =)

Not too far to go now...
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SilentOunce · Hard to the Core Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 31

awesome, thanks for all your hard work

this guide has easily dropped days and dozens of adventures off my runs

especially the xp listings, that tells me where I can adventure to get the most gains while still being able to hit and dodge

excellent work
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Cisco · Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject:

Ok, I've updated the parser, I am still displaying the same values as before, but now using the Evade value as the required moxie.
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Kittiwake · Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:53 pm Post subject:

Thank you!

Now I can finally stop getting told about those damn 35 HP Drunken Rats...

Very nice. Planning to add the to-hit part or is it just going to be as is?
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Cisco · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:48 am Post subject:

Well the parser script actually builds the cgi, which is yet another script. It's a bit more tedious to write a script within a script. I'm sure that bug is just waiting to crawl up my ass, though, and then it will be done. Smile

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Kittiwake · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:46 pm Post subject:

I've got an idea, and need some input on it.

I'm planning if i can to add what each monster's elemental affinity is, but i'm trying to figure out a good way to do it without adding too much text into the guide, or having it look really ugly, or changing the current format.

One idea i had was to change the colour of its name to the element, so you have Demoninja is red and Yetis in blue. One problem with that is that it adds much more text to the post, and that is kind of limited. I've already had to split it into two posts...

So, there is my dilema. If someone comes up with a brilliant way of showing Monster's Elements, i'll be motivated to go hunt down each monster and check. Otherwise, its not worth the effort if i can't show it...
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Hatemonger · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 1:27 am Post subject:

Kittiwake · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:01 am Post subject:

I don't think Jick meant monsters had different reistances, just that different things gave different levels of resistances. I'm not sure, i skimmed that transcript.

The problem with colours is that the Red would mess with the Red HP if its right next to the name., and there is no grey to use for Spooky, and no colour that could fit it well.

Adding the (xx) after its name... i'm sure about that either. It looks a bit janky, and it'll also mess with the Lookup, as the monster names will suddenly adapt it. Plus, i'd lose that bet i made with Cisco >.>

The other idea i had was to change HP to a default colour, and then change it to red or blue or whatever depending on the monster's elements, but just looks strange. I'd also have to change the blue XP so as to not use the same colours right next to each other, and there is also the no grey problem too.

Meh, i'll think of something
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cilrais · Hard as a math test Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 212

well you could always make little emoticon sized symbols that represent the elements, look kinda like magic the gathering.
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Kittiwake · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:08 am Post subject:

Could do, except i'd have to add a LOT of image tags, which would just add a whole lot more off BBCode to the posts. I don't know how much 'space' i've got remaning before it decides enough is enough and cuts out the rest of the post.

Heh.... maybe if i can convicne Cisco to add some as smilies it could work.
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cilrais · Hard as a math test Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 212

Hatemonger · Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject:

Kittiwake · Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject:

Hmm, yeah. That does seem like a good idea. I'll have to hunt down some little elemental icons then bug Cisco to put them in >.>

Thanks.

EDIT: Aha! Got them, behold the 5 (re-sized) elements!

Now, what do you think looks better, before name, after name or end?

Hellion - 52 HP - 10.4 XP - 52 Def - 52 Atk - 61 Hit - 63 Evade
Hellion

- 52 HP - 10.4 XP - 52 Def - 52 Atk - 61 Hit - 63 Evade
Hellion - 52 HP - 10.4 XP - 52 Def - 52 Atk - 61 Hit - 63 Evade

cilrais · Hard as a math test Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 212

I'd say in the front, that way you can just scan down the list real quick and see the element + monster name

edit: plus putting it right next to the evade makes one think it's evade is based off hot or something, at least that's what my mind first thinks.
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Kittiwake · Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:03 pm Post subject:

Hmm...

The Copse of the Deep Fat Friars - 61 Hit - 75 Evade
The Dark Neck of the Woods - 61 Hit - 63 Evade

Hellion - 52 HP - 10.4 XP - 52 Def - 52 Atk - 61 Hit - 63 Evade

P Imp - 42 HP - 8.4 XP - 42 Def - 42 Atk - 51 Hit - 51 Evade

W Imp - 40 HP - 8 XP - 40 Def - 40 Atk - 49 Hit - 49 Evade

The Defiled Cyrpt
The Defiled Nook - 82 Hit - 86 Evade

Spiny Skelelton - 50 HP - 10.8 XP - 54 Def - 54 Atk - 63 Hit - 63 Evade

Toothy Sklelton - 50 HP - 11.6 XP - 58 Def - 58 Atk - 67 Hit - 67 Evade

Giant Skeelton - 60 HP - 15 XP - 73 Def - 77 Atk - 82 Hit - 86 Evade

Yeah, that doesn't look too bad. Alright, thats motivation enough, looks like i've got a but of Elemental Testing to do =p
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SilentOunce · Hard to the Core Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 31

Cisco · Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:05 am Post subject:

Hot

Cold

Sleaze

Stench

Spooky

What do you think of that? I installed a smilie pack.
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Barkeep · HCO Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 885 Location: Seattle, WA

I like it

Cisco · Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject:

For good measure I added Kittiwake's too:

Fire

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Kittiwake · Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject:

Xylpher · Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject:

Spooky - ghost or skull
Stench - Smog/Smoke/stinky clouds
Sleaze - Ummm... underwear? Dunno.

But yeah, as a non-colorblind person I have to agree the colored circles are preferable for me, personally.