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Kittiwake · Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject:

Tard - Sorry for not seeing this earlier, i'll get on to it when i can. Need to update it and talk to Cisco first.

Smidge - Good point, but i already had a fix in mind that would take care of this. I was planning to put a (xx%) after each element, to show how many of their attacks would be of that element, just to give that little bit more in the way of figuring out your chances of surviving. That would take care of the situation, as then you could see whether the monster has Sleazy

(100%) or

(25%) for instance, rather than the way it is now.

It'll take a bit of work, wiki isn't quite reliable with attack messages, and new ones are getting added all the time. But i'm working on it.
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d0om · Harder than Hardcore Joined: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 91

After reading through the Critical section, I have the following to add:

It seems likley the effect of EyeOfStoat is to 50% of the time add +1 to the dice roll for critical hits. This would explain both the increased criticals and reduced fumbles. The only difference between this and the one you posted is that with *3fumble chance it would effect it differently.

This could be easily tested. Does KoLmafia have a way to track crits/fumbles?

Kittiwake · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 7:37 pm Post subject:

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Smidge · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject:

Supermath_ · Harder than Hardcore Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 63

Got hit by a sabre-tooth goat at 77 moxie.

Lightgazer · Soft Like a Bunny Joined: 19 May 2006 Posts: 1

Just FYI, the listed evade you have for the Hellion in the Dark Neck of the Woods is 61. I have exacty 61 moxie and was hit for 10 hot damage.

Kittiwake · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject:

Yes, the problem with that is the current hit-rate formula used for the Evade values is wrong.

Its a 20-scale, not 18 scale, that is you need 10 above, not 9.

However, its going to take a humongous amount of statiscal data to back that up and prove it, so for now i think i'm going to leave it as is, as the chance should be really, really minimal.

I need to make a note of that somewhere.
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d0om · Harder than Hardcore Joined: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 91

Just done some testing on a multi with a shill against alphatbet giants at -8 mus (137 vs 145 def) and didn't hit at all in 60 rounds.

Now if critical hits make you hit as is claimed, I should have had a ~39% hit rate.

I think criticals have absolutley no effect on hitting.

I did fumble a few times though.

Smidge · Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:12 am Post subject:

d0om · Harder than Hardcore Joined: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 91

Didn't have any +ML on (and the alphabet giant wasn't hitting ME as I had the right level of moxie so the stats should be right)

Has anyone actually experienced the 90% critical rate that would result from a shill and criticals always hitting when your at 5% to hit?

Hmm this is very odd I have now done 130 attacks @139(-6) Musc. all of them missed.

My moxie was 152(+7) and the alphabet giant hits me about 1-2 times /set of 30.

I am a wallaby sign, if that has anything to do with it.

NES Outlaw · Hard Candy Shell Joined: 29 May 2006 Posts: 17

Elemental note: In the Great Trip, the Angels of Avalon attack with heat half the time, and the Gathering of Angels and Elders of the Gentle Race both attack with sleaze half the time.

plutopia · Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:12 am Post subject:

I got hit twice today by Alphabet Giants w/ moxie 161 and MCD @ 7. No other ML gear/effects.

I've got a screen shot if you want to see it.
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kevbob · bobkev Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 2770

Fernswarthy's Tower:

Yeast beast has a sleaze attack.
Weretaco has a hot attack.
Chowder Golem has a hot attack.

edit. it's a yeast beast, not a yeast beat.

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plutopia · Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:24 am Post subject:

Not a problem. The guide uses +9. Just being super anal.

And thanks to Kittewake for such an awesome resource!
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GodsKook · Hard as Steel Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 734

The master chef nailed me for 4 damage today even though I was at the 'safe' adventure moxie(31).

I suppose I'm just being picky, but meh.
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darkgamr · Firm Like a Handshake Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 14

Angels of avalon nailed mee at 154 moxie

redpot · Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject:

booze giant hit me at 93 moxie with MCD @ 8
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Jesus_Fish · HCO Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 1128

Goth giant has a new attack, which is Sleeze elemental.

Supermath_ · Harder than Hardcore Joined: 02 Mar 2006 Posts: 63

I would like to point out that this thread has over 100,000 views.

Okay, back to work.

Phlama · Firm Like a Handshake Joined: 20 Mar 2006 Posts: 10

I just wanted to point out that The Road to White Citadel and The Penultimate Fantasy Airship are out of order in the quick links section.

Kittiwake · Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject:

Hmm. They are too.

Thanks.

Maerra · Soft Like a Bunny Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2

Hi, I've noticed that many people are getting hit by "inferior" monsters. And you guessed it - happened to me, too.

Went to Cemetary (pre-Cyrpt) with 38 Mox (28 base) and received 4 spooky damage from a lihc (said to evade 29+). I'm Mus sign, so no MCD. What I want to ask is: "Is this the way the game works?" I didn't have any elemental resistance, so the lihc was able to scare the hit unto me? Uhhhh.. Or is it that I only used spices through the battle and the lihc spiced up it's life (or death)?

Thanks in advance.
And sorry if that's already been answered somewhere, wasn't able to dig the right article about game mechanics.

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Maerra · Soft Like a Bunny Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2

Thanks a lot.

I've read that info but interpreted it differently. Probably my fault. Something in the wiki lead me to think that critical hit was something that could only occur after one hits; that is, shouldn't affect whether I hit the monster or not, only how much damage I inflict. Only one sentence in "surviving topiary golems" planted a seed of doubt in my head Smile

Another question: the second or third day after the mod, there was an announcement that the critical hits/fumbles occured too often; and that it was fixed. Does anybody know how often is less than too often? I mean, the lihc must've been pretty lucky to hit me when my moxie was nearly twice it's attack (38 against 20), right?

And yet another question: do the monsters also hurt themselves when they fumble? Because sometimes I don't want them to...

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GodsKook · Hard as Steel Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 734

I can confirm that the chalkdust Wraith is also spooky elemental, as well as being physically immune, with <17 HP(I had 4 elemental damage boosters running when I tested him.)
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frost_maze · Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:59 pm Post subject:

I've got a suspicion that the Banshee Librarian has a higher attack than the writing desk. It consistently hits 12s and 10s while the writing desk hits with 7s and 8s.

Also, monster fumbles *to my knowledge* don't deal damage to itself.

And I have a question too. Why is the formular for Monster Damage so... different to the damage I'm receiving? The damage formula said that I would get 24 damage at most from the goats and 20 at the smallest. Then the goats go along and hit 7s! I got rid of the 0.2*monster XP then it looked slightly more realistic. What's going wrong?
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