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TeKRunneR · HCD: Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 1040

Get one. Now.

And to start some kind of meaningful conversation:

Do the free runaways count for delay()?

Where to use those free runaways?
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Waiting4Oct · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:32 am Post subject:

Does the LTS stun work even if your LTS misses? Further, do the the Smust stuns delay entangling noodles in the same way the navel ring does? Even further, can we stun multiple times in a fight?
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Shao Mi · Shao Mi the Lucre! Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 4066

This may make the arena worthwhile, finally. And hey, they added usefulness for running Ode (finally Smile

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At least Princess will be able to hit 10 days and 825 turns now Smile

Waiting4Oct · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:50 am Post subject:

zeroblah · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Apathargic Bandersnatch

Shao Mi · Shao Mi the Lucre! Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 4066

illarion · Hard as Steel Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 662 Location: UK

Is this really as awesome as it appears to be? Shocked

A full weight, mainstat-only volley? With combat effects that actually look really pretty useful? And free run-aways? And based on Jabberwocky? Smile

Is there a catch? Well, apart from the lack of hobo/GGG restores or whatever, obviously.

TeKRunneR · HCD: Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 1040

Waiting4Oct · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:50 am Post subject:

--while on teleportitis to increase the chance of the oracle.
--Bedroom when you can't survive, trying to open the ballroom.
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Waiting4Oct · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Apathargic Bandersnatch

Jerbu · woohoo!! Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 1271

I'm also to lazy to check, but sauceror set+ this seems amazing at higher levels (somebody do math to see how high Smile

, mostly need soul freeze discharge to be large enough)

Wave of sauce: -23 mp
Jabañero Saucesphere : +6 mp
Saucegeyser: -40 mp
Jabañero Saucesphere : +10 mp
Discharge of Soul Freeze: +40 mp
Bandersnatch effects: +20mp, +2 fam. xp

Net MP: +13 MP

illarion · Hard as Steel Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 662 Location: UK

Good enough to consider using sauce spells in hardcore?

Shao Mi · Shao Mi the Lucre! Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 4066

illarion · Hard as Steel Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 662 Location: UK

tekDragon · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject:

If the option is to use this over a GGG/Hobo... where will the MP come from? Should I be dusting off my Dandy Lion?

Edit: And for anyone who doesnt have a full scope this saves turns in the tower as well.
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tekDragon · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:40 pm Post subject:

Looking over the combat effects... turning Shieldbutt into an auto stun and giving it extra damage on subsequent turns seems quite strong...

Cant see an effect for Moxious Maneuver which is a bit of a shame.
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Mr_Crac · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject:

tekDragon · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject:

Well.. of course they do, but every other starting skill has an effect it seems.
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NotJim · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Apathargic Bandersnatch

con carne · Firm Like a Handshake Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 13

For high ML or just overly powerful monsters, rather than casting noodles then shieldbutting, can use shieldbutt stun, then noodles, shieldbutt to give more rounds of stunned. I really like these combat augimproves.

NotJim · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:27 pm Post subject:

Lord Mackerel · HCO Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 1685 Location: England

So, how does this weight mechanic thing work? Is it determined by base or buffed weight at the point of trying to run away?

So.. if I score a distentegrating spiky collar, can it provide an extra run-away* with the Snatch?

Green snowcones/ candy hearts are looking a bit tastier if this is the case.

*or an extra 2 runaways if you use it at the end of the day and let the buff roll over.

Shao Mi · Shao Mi the Lucre! Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 4066

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con carne · Firm Like a Handshake Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 13

I had only a vague idea of what delay() is and where I could find it. Just in case anyone else was wondering, here are the "bajillions" of other places:

http://www.alliancefromhell.com/viewtopic.php?t=1870

Shao Mi · Shao Mi the Lucre! Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 4066

Cristiona · Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:06 am Post subject:

When the wiki says the familiar items tune to a certain stat, they mean like those old Crimbo offhands, right? In other words, if a Seal Clubber uses the muscle bird, they won't notice any difference (aside from it being 5 pounds heavier)?